people4ponies blog: What happens to "Dartmoor ponies" - Can you help us fill in the gaps?

Beyond the clever PR Marketing, do you know what happens to ponies from Dartmoor once they come off the moor? Can you help us fill in some of the missing information?…They don’t all go to good homes…these are some of the things we know happen and have happened…

** ZOO MEAT – “Farms are not set up for humane slaughter. Ponies are shot in all kinds of set ups. Some go through a cattle crush, others are done in a yard or lorry where they see what’s coming. Watching one die before the next. Mares separated only a small distance away often within ear shot and within view. The mares go back out onto the moor and shout for days {for their foals}. The shooting of ponies is used a breeding management tool. Year after year, having foals to shoot them, how stupid is that?”

The Guardian reported previously how the unborn foetuses are cut from the carcasses of adult mares as part of the processing.

£33,000 was raised for equipment for processing pony meat. Pandas are rare and kept in zoos, zebras are rare and kept in zoos but “Dartmoor Hill Ponies” are marketed by Dartmoor as rare (often quoted as only 1200 left) – and killed to feed other zoo animals rather than being valued as individuals themselves.

**SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH – An expose in 2016 showed that Dartmoor and Welsh ponies were used in experiments where pregnant mares gave birth and then their foals were involved in medical experiments. Cambridge University bought ponies direct from a farmer. The study was funded by the Horserace Betting Levy Board. We have found this study: “https://www.researchgate.net/publication/259723375_Sex-associated_differences_in_pancreatic_b_cell_function_in_healthy_preweaning_pony_foals”.

We had an anonymous report of a shipment of ponies being sold from a farm on Dartmoor to Scotland for scientific research – FOIs did not find them in veterinary institutions. Does anyone have any more info or knowledge about ponies going for research purposes?

** THE FARMERS’ PONY MEAT SCHEME – Trying to convince the UK general public to eat horsemeat rather than stop the irresponsible breeding practices. Is “Preserving a pony” keeping it alive or preserving it in a freezer?! Do your own research about who is involved and whether you think it is ethical…

**DRUMS – marketed as being the “Symbol of the ponies' voice...calling you to listen to their cry for support to help them continue looking after Dartmoor". We know that in 2013 Dartmoor Hill pony hides were being priced at £250 each.

**THE UNDERGROUND – This, we suspect, applies not just to ponies from Dartmoor but those from Bodmin too, and possibly beyond. Once you start asking questions and doing FOIs it becomes blatantly clear the numbers don’t add up…and sometimes the UK government or agencies won’t even answer basic questions. EVERY year there are still reports of lorries full of ponies going out of the country via Ireland and this year is no different. Before it was part of the Horse Meat Scandal, the dealers mysteriously disappearing from the markets once it was exposed. We also know that one dealer that used to be at the Bodmin market was stopped at Stranraer in Scotland and prosecuted and jailed for hiding £750,000 worth of drugs in between horses in his lorry destined to travel across the Irish Sea.

Photos from Equine Rescue France https://www.equinerescuefrance.org/2010/11/and-the-ugly-2/

People on Dartmoor and Bodmin will know what’s happening to this year’s ponies right now – seen lorries, heard the “word on the ground” – what have you heard? Last year a whole herd of Bodmin ponies disappeared overnight and the ponies could not be traced at all – not even to slaughterhouses in this country and no change of ownership ever applied for. It is common knowledge “they” know how to get out of the country completely unchecked. In 2010, 30 ponies from Dartmoor turned up at a market in Maurs, southern France (spotted by Equine Rescue France) in appalling condition and were bought by Italian dealers to be destined for the meat and skins market in Italy. Described as "dead on their feet" and most with eye infections and a couple of them lame – the dealer wanting 250 euros each for them. A rare unexpected glimpse of a stopping point. These ponies have consistently been exploited in what is most likely an underground trade linked to more serious crime – much bigger than me, you, or the ponies themselves and with no government agency or large organisation or Dartmoor agenda prepared to protect them, investigate, or enforce the very legislation that is there to protect them.

Racehorses are being shipped from Ireland to the UK for slaughter (as seen on Panorama). Ponies are disappearing from here outwards – Ireland is the only word mentioned…it could be a lot further than that. We know that in 2018 as many ponies with Dartmoor Pony passports as Wetherby’s racehorses were slaughtered in Ireland - 77. Numbers with a Pet ID passport (general equines) were 52. By 2019 the total was 20 DP, 26 Pet ID…… Only one slaughter plant is approved for equines in Ireland… so it seems Ireland may not be the end destination…

Ponies on Dartmoor are being bred and disposed of without any regard to responsibility for the long term future of these ponies. The market and county fair hype is a PR façade. People reported more foals being bred this year than for a long time – I’d encourage everyone to keep your eyes open and start asking more questions. In 2010 (13/10/2010) a prominent figure of the DHPA featured on BBC Radio 4s Farming today programme about the ponies on Dartmoor and stated categorically that Hill ponies DO NOT go for meat but are sold as riding ponies…by the December of the same year their story was blown out of the water by the national press…whistleblown - the papers revealed how more than 700 ponies had been shot that year alone. Not all farmers are bad. We are here to expose what needs to be exposed and ask questions on behalf of the ponies who suffer at the hands of people who would have us believe they are custodians of a breed…and that the ponies ALL go to good homes…

Source information and links – please do research yourself:

** Zoo meat links:

· Slaughter quote – from a whistleblower whose identity we need to protect.

· Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2010/dec/11/dartmoor-ponies-slaughter-zoo-feeding-lions

· 700 ponies https://www.express.co.uk/expressyourself/215394/Slaughter-of-the-Dartmoor-ponies

· Photos of the slaughter of ponies https://wildponiesinfo.blogspot.com/2011/01/disturbing-photographs-of-dartmoor-hill.html

· £33,000 equipment https://www.dartmoorsociety.com/debates/2013_debate

· Numbers of ponies in existence: https://www.dartmoorhillponyassociation.co.uk/history/ At the moment there are approximately 1100 mares on the moor, producing around 900 foals per year

https://www.aber.ac.uk/en/news/archive/2020/04/title-231048-en.html#:~:text=Census%20data%20indicate%20that%20the,Carneddau%20Ponies%20left%20in%20Snowdonia. Census data indicate that the Dartmoor Hill Pony herd has declined from a high of 12,250 in the 1960s to 1,200 today.

https://dartmoorlinks.co.uk/community-news/community-news_1/friends-of-the-dartmoor-hill-pony/ 1200

** Scientific Experimentation links:

https://www.crueltyfreeinternational.org/breaking-news/exposed-ex-racehorses-and-dartmoor-ponies-used-experiments Cambridge University had authorisation from the Home Office to carry out cruel experiments on pregnant horses and their unborn foals. Up to 150 horses over a 5-year period (until 2018) could be used. The experiments could involve:

· - compressing umbilical cords or cutting umbilical vessels during pregnancy so that unborn foals do not receive enough nutrients

· - surgically removing glands

· - injecting the animals with hormones or drugs that affect growth and metabolism

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/259723375_Sex-associated_differences_in_pancreatic_b_cell_function_in_healthy_preweaning_pony_foals

** Drums

· https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2428553/Dartmoor-ponies-culled-hides-drums-used-Druid-style-retreats.html .instead we are supposed to think that a Dartmoor Hill Pony hide drum is a "Symbol of the ponies' voice...calling you to listen to their cry for support to help them continue looking after Dartmoor"...

· £250 pony skin https://www.dartmoorsociety.com/debates/2013_debate

** Farmers Meat Scheme

· https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/how-to-save-dartmoor-s-hill-ponies-eat-them-says-animal-conservation-group-9754347.html

· https://www.bigbarn.co.uk/producer/newton-abbot/dartmoor-conservation-meat-25400/

** The Underground

· https://people4ponies.blogspot.com/2020/10/new-expose-whole-bodmin-herd-disappear.html

· https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-34475718 - Dealer stopped and prosecuted

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20144305

· www.people4ponies.co.uk/liveexports.html

· https://www.business-live.co.uk/retail-consumer/brexit-forces-early-sale-dartmoor-16986056 - Admission that half of ponies head overseas

· Maurs market Equine Rescue France https://www.equinerescuefrance.org/2010/11/and-the-ugly-2/

· Numbers of ponies slaughtered in Ireland – via FOI request. English FSA refused to answer questions arguing data protection.